INTERVIEW OF DR. PAUL BENNEWITZ BY JIM McCAMPBELL

SUMMARY OF NOTES TAKEN BY JIM McCAMPBELL CONCERNING TWO TELEPHONE INTERVIEWS WITH DR. PAUL F. BENNEWITZ. (Signed by Walt Andrus, Past Director - MUFON. Dated September 19, 1984)

For those of you who are not familiar with the Bennewitz case, this will be new material but for those of you who are, perhaps you have never read this particular interview.
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This is Jim McCampbell making a recording of a remarkable episode on July 13, 1984. It has to do with a UFO base, cattle mutilations, advanced weaponry, contact with aliens, etc.

The episode began about a week ago when I received a little semiannual periodical titled Stigmata. It is Number 21, the First Half of 1984. This little bulletin is prepared by Thomas Adams of Paris, Texas.

He has a rather lengthy article. One finds points of interest on page 9 and I suppose the only way to pursue this is to read what he has here as it is fundamental to the entire story.

Quoting "In May of 1980 a most interesting event occurred in northern New Mexico. An event similar in many respects to the Doraty case. A mother and her young son were driving on a rural highway near Cimarron, New Mexico. They observed two or more craft and as Judy Doraty did, they observed a calf being abducted. Both observers were themselves abducted and taken on separate craft to what was apparently an underground installation, as well as the dead animal she had observed being mutilate in the field. It has been alleged that she also observed a vat containing unidentified cattle body parts floating in a liquid, and another vat containing the body of a male human.

The woman was subjected to an examination and it has been further alleged that small metallic objects were implanted into her body as well as into her son's body. More than one source has informed us that CAT scans have confirmed the presence of these implants.

Paul Bennewitz, President of his own scientific company in Albuquerque and an investigator with the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, has been the principal investigator of the case. Interviewed in his office in April 1983, Bennewitz reports that through regressive hypnosis of the mother and child and his own follow-up investigation (including communications received via his computer terminal which ostensibly is from a UFO related source), he was able to determine the location of the underground facility; a kilometer underground beneath the Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation near Dulce, New Mexico. (Since 1978, one of the areas of the US hardest hit by mutilations or whatever.) Bennewitz's information is that this installation is operated jointly as part of an ongoing program of cooperation between the US government and extraterrestrial UFOnauts. The story continues that after initial contacts years ago, the aliens agreed to give "us" certain technological advances while we provided them with the location for the New Mexico base and at least three others. Plus, the aliens were to be allowed to carry out certain operations, abductions and mutilations without our intervention. The mother and son, by the way, were returned back to their car that night. Since the incident, they have suffered repeated trauma and difficulties as they attempt to recover from the episode. We pass this along because the account is, of course, most crucial if true; but we are not in a position to confirm the alleged findings. Hopefully, more information regarding this incident will be aired in the near future. We can only consider such reports while continuing to seek the evidence to refute or confirm." That's the end of this remarkable quotation from Stigmata.

As I have been studying the idea of bases for aliens for some time, this has caught my attention and I also suspected cooperation between the US Government and the aliens. It also gives the name and locations of a man who has his own scientific operation, Dr. Paul Bennewitz. I tried to get in touch with him. Through the telephone information service I was able to do so. I got in touch with Dr. Bennewitz by telephone and indicated that I had seen this reference to him and his work and I wanted to find out whether he was being misrepresented or whatever. I told him that I would Xerox a copy of it and forward it to him for comments, which I did. This morning, July 13, 1984, he telephoned me and said that he, having looked over the article, found that it was substantially correct. I forgot to mention that in my letter to him I said that none of the details that wre in this particular article gave me any strain. Then Dr. Bennewitz, who I will refer to as Paul... He took time to close the door to his office and elaborated upon the whole story and the conversation lasted somewhere near an hour. It is rather mind boggling and here is the substance of that telephone conversation.

The article is basically accurate and he does have the coordinates of the base. He is a physicist and he started four years ago to determine in his own mind whether UFOs exist or do not and he has gotten much more deeply involved than he ever intended. It has caused him a great deal of trouble from the government intelligence groups. He has pictures from the location. He went with a Highway Patrol Officer and they saw a UFO take off from a mesa at the location. He obtained photographs and what he calls launch ships were 330 ft. long and 130 ft. across. The cattle rancher named Gomez and he went back to this location which is a mesa and saw a surveillance vehicle which was about 5 ft by 10 ft, like a satellite, he said. Hehad been using a Polaroid camera and then got a Hasselblad to produce much better pictures. He set up a monitoring station and observed that UFOs are all over the area. He was also able to pick up signals and obtain video pictures that are transmissions from the aliens screens. He has been dealing heavily with a Major Edwards, Security Commander of Manzano Security. He and his wife saw four objects outside of a warhead storage area at a range of about 2500 feet and obtained movies of them. He now has about 6000 feet of movie footage, of which 5000 ft is in Super Eight. The objects have the ability to "cloak." That is his word, spells CLOAK like cloak and danger, like cover up and he says that they can cause themselves to go invisible by a field that causes the light waves to bend around the object and that one sees the sky behind them.
He confirmed the fact that the woman was picked up when she accidentally observed the calf being abducted. He has paid for a pathology work and a medical doctor work. The pathologist is a former head of the microbiology department of New Mexico University. They have done CAT scans to show that the woman did in fact have an implant in her body.

She has a vaginal disease like streptococci-bacillus and tried many antibiotics to destroy the bacteria. That it has survived off the antibodies themselves. The aliens keep hassling her.
Paul kept the woman and her mother at his house and the UFOs were flying overhead constantly. There is no ESP involved, but it is just plain physics.

They send a beam down. They have a beam through which they can sense her thoughts. They can communicate through this beam. She picked up their transmissions. He devised a means of communication based upon hex ASCII code; one is equal to "no" and two being "yes." Through this code he has been able to talk to the aliens. He then computerized the system that would reject extraneous inputs. He said that they can be very threatening and malevolent. One of them he talked to said that he would drop off communication if he became too familiar. He was told about the base.

He then told the OSI of the Air Force and gave several presentations to high level Air Force people in briefings on the subject, Wing Level Command, and many others, including this fellow Edwards.

After he gave his presentation he was taken twice by helicopter to the site; once with an OSI agent and the next time with a Col. Carpenter. He made photographs.

To be continued tomorrow